[lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban - really for beginners

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 7/31/08, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
> The rule for stress in brivla is that it's on the next-to-last syllable whose
> nucleus is not "y" or a syllabic consonant.

And in the case of brivla, the rule is needed because the stress
is used to tell the word apart from other words.

> Applying that rule to "uacintyn",
> it's stressed on "ua". But names can have "y" in the last syllable, "y" in
> both of two adjacent syllables, and "iy" and "uy", none of which can occur in
> brivla. I'm not sure that anyone's codified the default stress for these
> cases. So to be safe, if either of the last two syllables contains "y",
> indicate the stress.

On the other hand, to be safe from what? Any stress (even even
stress) is permitted in cmevla, so no stress indication is really
needed. "uacintyn" is the same name in Lojban no matter how one
chooses to stress it. In the case of personal names, if someone
gets cranky when people don't stress their name the way they
prefer, they can mark their preferred stress (and people may
choose to comply, just to be polite), but for names of places
everyone can use any stress they like, just as they can use any
tone, which also makes no difference. There is no official way to
mark tone, but perhaps when we have Lojbanists from languages
that use tone some convention will develop to mark tone in Lojban
cmevla, and the effect will be the same.

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