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What about this? I think a tanru would work A dog attacked me. Literally: A living being, which sounded and acted like a dog (though i am unsure that it was), ran to me and sank its teeth into my arm Transition: A single living being of the {associated-by-characteristics} class dog attacked me. Lojban: le gerku danlu cu gunta mi So in lojban: The {dog-like animate being} I have in mind currently, attacked me And what would 'lo gerku danlu'... mean? Maybe -- A member of a class of dog-like animate beings... but I don't have a specific one in mind? -- ? ---- Then concerning 'a man, which is in fact a man, reads' Can we also use a tanru for this? le remna nanmu cu tcidu (a humany-type of male reads)? Michael > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:38:28 -0500 > From: mturniansky@gmail.com > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: And more le and lo > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Tom Gysel <to_mu1975@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Since 'le' carries the requirement of having a specific thing in mind, and > > 'lo' has to refer to something which really fits the description, which > > gadri (or any other solution) would we use for ' a dog' in the sentence: ' a > > dog attacked me last night'? (bearing in mind that it was dark and so maybe > > it was a dog, or a wolf, or any other doglike creature.) > > If one were to use the CLL definition, then really, it should be > "le". Why? Because it is a particular thing you you have in mind, > namely, "that thing which attacked me". > > That being said, I'm surprised to find that no one has yet > short-circuited this whole discussion with reference to xorlo ( > http://www.lojban.org/tiki//tiki-index.php?page=How+to+use+xorlo&bl ). > While not yet officially official, it's been accepted unanimously by > the BPFK, and is in common use in the lojban community. In short, the > part of xorlo that is relevant here is that there is no longer any > veridical (truthiness) component to "lo", so that, under xorlo "lo" > would be the right word to use in that sentence. > > --gejyspa > > > Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. |