[lojban-beginners] Re: pro-selbri ?

[Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:47 PM, J Y <kkm2019@gmail.com> wrote:
> { go'i } repeats the last bridi. Does it only refer to the whole bridi
> ? Or can it refer to the selbri ? Or to the selbri tanru ?


It repeats the selbri of the last bridi.  But not just the selbri,
yes, it takes its context in the bridi as well, for instance:

> go'i fu na'e le karce ( le xe go'i na karce )  ;  go'i ji'a fa mi  .......
>
> Is it ok?

-- that's right.  If the last thing said was "klama le zarci fu le
karce", then the 2nd and 5th places are more constrained than they are
with just the selbri "klama".  A "go'i" that attaches to that bridi
has as its natural x2 that particular market.  And then you can change
that if you want.  So:

A: mi klama le zarci
B: mi go'i

B is saying that they go to the same market as A, not just that they
go somewhere.

BTW this is a specific limited version of a more general mechanism
that you can employ with "cei" and "broda".  If you use "cei" to
define one of the stand-in selbri like "broda" (or brode, brodi, etc),
it becomes a reusable tool with similar properties.  So for instance
if I say:

mi klama cei broda fu le karce

Then the selbri "broda" now has as its natural x5 that car, and its
natural x1 as me.  Then at any point in the future, so long as that
definition is in effect, I can say something ilke:

broda le zarci

And it means that I went to the market in the car.  Or I can say:

do broda le zarci

And it means that you went to the market in the car.  This is a
powerful and very lojbanic mechanism and I recommend it.  Probridi
like "broda" are discussed in the CLL in Chapter 7, Section 5:
http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c7/s5.html


mu'o doi cilre be fi zo go'i za'a .e zo cei .a'o mi'e selkik
(over, O learner about "go'i", i see, and hopefully "cei", i'm selkik)