[lojban-beginners] Re: âThere is the view from hereâ question

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

2009/9/25 Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com>:
> 2009/9/25 tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>:
>> That is ungrammatical. Did you mean "le jvinu pe vi ragve fe do" or
>> "le jvinu be vi ragve fe do"?
>
> I'm kind of a beginner so I'm not really sure. Could you explain the
> difference between "le jvinu pe vi ragve fe do" and "le jvinu be vi
> ragve fe do", please?

"pe" (of selma'o GOI) attaches a term (listed below) to a sumti (e.g.
le jvinu). "be" (of selma'o BE) inserts a term into a selbri (e.g.
jvinu). "pe ti" is on the preceding sumti; "be ti" is on the preceding
selbri -- or on its place structure, and that's why in "le jvinu be
ti" the "ti" becomes the x2 of "jvinu".

{le jvinu} + {ti} = le jvinu pe ti
le {jvinu + ti} = le jvinu be ti

"ti" in the latter has a specific destination on the place structure
of "jvinu" (x2) and thus semantically specific. In the former, "ti" is
kind of floating on the sumti "le jvinu" and thus semantically
unspecific (apart from the distinction you can make in relation to
other GOI such as "ne", "po", "po'e"). The utility of "pe" (or other
GOI) becomes obvious when you want to attach a term to a
non-selbri-based sumti. You cannot use "be" to attach "ti" to "la
djan.", for example, because "djan." is not a selbri; you want "pe".

Types of term:
 sumti (e.g. ti)
 tag sumti (e.g. vi ti)
 tag KU (e.g. vi ku)
 NA KU (e.g. na ku)


tijlan