On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote: > see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do. 'trying' > is an illusion". As in, you either do what you intend to do, or you do > not, there is no such thing as "try". That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci na'i". Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci