[lojban-beginners] Re: "Why should I believe that?"

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>> could I rearrange the sumti and say...
>> { fe la'edu'i jinvi fo ma }
>> ...to mean "why believe that?" (without specifying me or you or whoever)
>
> ÂYou certainly can, but since the emphasis on the question is the
> reason for belief, it's probably better to say "ma ve jinvi fe
> la'edi'u"

  Actually, no fe.  Really  presumably you have just stated a fact.


>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:24, Sam Chapin <not.here.now@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> For a start there's {jinvi}, "opine": x1 holds opinion x2 (du'u) about
>>> subject x3 for reason x4.
>>>
>>> http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=jinvi&Strategy=*&Database=*&submit=Submit+query
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, DataPacRat <datapacrat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the
>>>> cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm
>>>> having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most
>>>> relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which
>>>> is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort
>>>> of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in
>>>> English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'm having
>>>> trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would
>>>>
>>>> ma xu'acmu fi ta
>>>>
>>>> translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting
>>>> that?"
>>>>
>>>> Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "sidydatni"
>>>> mentioned in the entry for datni?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your time,
>>>> --
>>>> DataPacRat
>>>> li te'o te'a vei pai pi'i ka'o ve'o su'i pa du li no .i je'a melbi!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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