[lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

I'm confused, I always believed ZI/VA to express where/when the bridi is happening in relation to the following sumti.  e.g. {mi pu citka vi lo xamsi} "I ate near the ocean" (who cares where that ocean is in relation to where we are now).  How would you say that if {vi} marks how far away from the origin you are?  I'm not even sure what the following sumti means in that case.  Would it just translate as "I ate near where we are now (at the ocean)"?

2010/2/25 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really?  I thought "{zi ma}" meant "a short time from what?" by analogy to "{vi
> ma}."

There are two different views on that. I prefer to use ZI/VA to tag
the magnitude of displacement from the origin (they are after all
magnitude of displacement tags.) The other view is to use them to tag
the origin, like PU/FAhA. But then you have no easy way of tagging the
magnitude of displacement.

mu'o mi'e xorxes