[lojban-beginners] Re: Tenses in abstractions

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm confused, I always believed ZI/VA to express where/when the bridi is
> happening in relation to the following sumti.

That's what PU/FAhA are for.

> e.g. {mi pu citka vi lo
> xamsi} "I ate near the ocean" (who cares where that ocean is in relation to
> where we are now).  How would you say that if {vi} marks how far away from
> the origin you are?

    mi pu citka ne'a lo xamsi

> I'm not even sure what the following sumti means in
> that case.  Would it just translate as "I ate near where we are now (at the
> ocean)"?

No (that's actually a third meaning VA had, the original one in fact,
now completely obsolete), the one I prefer is:

mi pu citka ne'a lo xamsi va lo mitre be li reno
"I ate 20 meters away from the ocean."

mu'o mi'e xorxes