Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "mi prami do" or "mi cu prami do" ?

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

I don't think it's actually saying "mine".  From what I understand {lo mi gerku} is equivalent to {lo gerku pe mi}.  {pe} can imply ownership when context would give that impression, but really it only means association.

e.g. {lo mi mamta} = {lo mamta pe mi} = "the mother associated with me".  I don't own her.  She is just associated with me. 

but {lo mi re'azda} = {lo re'azda pe mi} = "my house".  That last "=" isn't true strictly, it's just inferred from context.  It could also be "that house I sold (because I'm a realtor talking to a co-worker)", etc...

As for your original question.  The difference is that {me mi} is saying "one of those things that are mi".  So technically (IMO):

lo mi gerku cu xamgu = the dog that is associated with me is good

lo me mi gerku cu xamgu = the dog that is associated with one of the things that is "me" is good.  (though really "one of" is too strict since we're using {lo})

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:14 AM, najrut <ruler11post@gmail.com> wrote:

This makes things even more strange.

Now tell me what is the difference between

"lo mi gerku cu xamgu" and "lo me mi gerku cu xamgu" ?
The first one is translated as
"lo any/some mi gerku dog(s) [of] I, me)2 cu is/does «3xamgu being good»3]1"

and the second one as
"lo any/some (3me amongst those that are mi I, me [type-of] gerku dog(s))3)2 cu is/does «4xamgu being good»4]1"

Yes, "lo mi gerku" meaning "my dog" is quite handy, but why it breaks the logic of anything learnt before ?

mi gerku means "I'm a dog" and when it is used as a sumti in the phrase

<lo mi gerku cu xamgu> 

it must mean <"I'm a dog" is good> whatever that means.

"me mi gerku" (my dog) has much more sense as it clear resembles "prenu gerku" (person's dog).

I feel that the "rule" of transforming "I am" into "mine" when adding "lo" is absolutely alien to other lojbanic rules.

On Thursday, August 4, 2011 6:10:49 PM UTC+4, Kevin Reid wrote:
On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:47, najrut wrote:

> But ... is it anyway possible to form tanru with pro-sumti included ?

It is possible as Jorge Llambías explained, with "me <sumti>" which is a conversion to the selbri "x1 is <sumti>".

  dei         me mi    notci
  This [is a] Kevinish message.  

--
Kevin Reid                                  <http://switchb.org/kpreid/>

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.

To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/U_CQyzqFZUUJ.

To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.