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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: I want an apple

{jai djica} is the wrong way of doing the raising, because the x1 is not an event. The proper way of doing the raising with the x1 of djica as the x1 of the result is unfortunately extremely clunky: {se jai se djica}.

Philosophically however you're right.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:48 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it's because in natural languages "I want an apple" is a
mental abbreviation. Lojban tries to deal with implicit things like
that. As you quoted, wanting an object is wanting to possess or do
something else with an object. So it's more logical definition to
define {djica} in one way instead of making it ambiguous. You have to
simple ways to overcome it: {mi jai djica lo plise}, {mi ctidji lo
plise}, {mi djica tu'a lo plise}, {mi djica lo nu citka lo plise} or
even {mi plisyctidji} :)

mu'o mi'e ianek

On Nov 29, 11:19 pm, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Someone (David Gowers?) recently (Aug. 17, 2011?) wrote:
>
> "You have an object in troci x2, but troci x2 is an abstraction. This is
> the same problem as with {mi djica lo plise} -- you don't desire an apple,
> you desire to possess an apple, or eat an apple... This is known as sumti
> raising. You need to put an abstraction in x2, then you will not be
> sumti-raising -- and will make sense, besides."
>
> I've wondered about this before. Why is wanting an object called
> sumti-raising? Why must the object (x2?) of {djica} be an abstraction? Is
> it simply because that's how the word was defined? If so, why was it
> defined that way?
>
> stevo

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