Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:10 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:

In the past, I've found the "How to use xorlo" page misleading at
best, and incorrect at worst. I recall xorxes contradicting it.

As I understand, the BPFK section on gadri is the most accurate
reference to do with {lo} and {le}:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gadri

{lo broda} is defined as {zo'e noi ke'a broda}
{le broda} is defined as {zo'e noi mi ke'a do skicu lo ka ce'u broda

In this particular case, all three of the sources I quoted agree. In fact, every authoritative work on the meaning of Lojban {le} agrees, because the meaning of {le} has been exactly the same since the beginning of the language, or at the very least since before I joined the community back in the 90's. The relatively recent xorlo change only stripped the default quantifiers from {le}, it didn't in any way change it's meaning.

To illustrate the above fact, here's what your source says about the meaning of {le}:

"le (LE) Specific article. It converts a selbri, selecting its first argument, into a sumti. The resulting _expression_ refers specifically to an individual or individuals that the speaker has in mind and which the speaker describes as fitting the first argument of the selbri."

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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