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Re: **JUNK** Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban!
Although, of course, most people would in actuality use "mi'e
clalis", since la isn't necessary after a COI. But other than that,
you are correct, Miles. Don't teach wrong. It's your job to model
correct usage, especially to beginners. Just like you do with a baby
learning language. (As for me, if I didn't want to use "ta mo", I'd
probably use "ta du ma" rather than "ta me ma" (or if I wanted to be
pedantic (read, a jerk), I'd use "ta cmima ma") But they are ALL just
as vague. Just as the English is. When you say, "what is that?"
pointing to a stick, you can receive the answer "long" or "brown". In
lojban, you can receive "clani" or "bunre" to the "mo", or "lo
clani/bunre" to the "ma". And they are all just as valid answers. So
what? How can someone know what kind of answer you expect, unless you
clarify it? (perhaps "ta cmima ma noi dacti klesi" might be a little
clearer, perhaps not)
--gejyspa
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
> I understand you're reasoning, but teaching wrong lojban to a beginner,
> especially when it can be avoided, seems like a bad idea. If you want to
> stick to {la}, then why not use {mi'e la. clalis} instead?
>
> Am 03.03.2012 00:54, schrieb Jonathan Jones:
>
> I don't want to sound rude.
>
> That seems rather nit-picky. In my opinion it is always more important that
> you're understood than that you are right. Especially in a language where
> "What is that?" is {ta me ma} because {ta mo} is too vague.
>
> When I am speaking of you in Lojban, I refer to you as {la.mailz.}. I think
> it would be more confusing to someone who has no knowledge of Lojban to use
> {zo} in those places, which is correct, rather than using {la}, which jbopre
> can understand.
>
> It's a pleasure to meet you. My name is .aionys.
> mi.ui penmi.oinai do mi'e.aionys.
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
>>
>> You aren't called "someone called clalis", you're called "clalis".
>> {mi se cmene zo .clalis}
>>
>> Am 03.03.2012 00:15, schrieb Jonathan Jones:
>>>
>>> Okay, here's the first half translated. Someone else work on the last
>>> half while I see what I can do with vectors.
>>>
>>> 1. coi
>>> 2. mi se cmene la.clalis.
>>> 3. ko'a goi la.djan.
>>> 4. ko'a se cmene la.djan.
>>> 5. cy: coi.djan.
>>> 6. mi ninmu
>>> 7. ko'a nanmu .i la.djan. nanmu
>>> 8. cy: mi ninmu .i do nanmu
>>> dy: mi nanmu .i do ninmu
>>> 9. cy: ko'a nanmu
>>> dy: ko'e ninmu
>>> 10. mi zvati ti
>>> 11. do zvati ta
>>> 12. ko'i zvati tu
>>> 13. mi .e do zvati ti .i mi'o zvati ti
>>> 14. mi .e ko'i zvati ti .i mi'a zvati ti
>>> 15. do .e ko'i zvati ta .i do'o zvati ta
>>> 16. cy: mi se cmene la.clalis. .ije ko'a se cmene la.djan. .i ma cmene do
>>> sy:mi se cmene la.sam.
>>> 17. cy: do ralte lo ta mo vau doi.sam.
>>> sy: mi ralte lo sedyta'u
>>> 18. ti me lo mi sedyta'u .i mi ralte lo mi sedyta'u di'o lo xance .ik mi
>>> xanra'e lo mi sedyta'u
>>> 19. cy: xu ta me lo do sedyta'u
>>> sy: go'i .i ti me lo mi sedyta'u
>>> 20. cy: do ralte lo ta mo vau doi.djan.
>>> dy: mi ralte lo tankytu'u .i ti me lo mi tankytu'u
>>> 21. ti me lo la.sam. sedyta'u .ije ti me lo la.djan. tankytu'u
>>> 22. sy: ta mo doi.clalis.
>>> 23. cy: ta gerku
>>> sy: xu ta me lo do gerku
>>> 24. nago'i .i ta na me lo mi gerku .i ta me lo la.djan. gerku
>>> 25. sy: doi.djan. ma cmene lo do gerku
>>> dy: cmene la.flyfis.
>>> 26. dy: la.flyfis. dalpe'o mi
>>> sy: xu la.clalis. ralte ji'a lo dalpe'o
>>> 27. sy: go'i .i lo cy. dalpe'o na.ue gerku .i ri mlatu .i lo mlatu cu se
>>> cmene la snime (I don't how to attach PU to UI, so I left out "je" of
>>> "jiqje".)
>>> 28. xu la snime cu mlatu .i sny. barda.iepei mlatu
>>> 29. go'i .i la snime cu barda .i ri tcebra
>>> 30. lo vi mlatu cu barda .i lo vu mlatu cu cmalu
>>> 31. lo vi mlatu cu barda fi lo vu mlatu .i lo vu mlatu cu cmalu fi lo vi
>>> mlatu
>>> 32. sy: xu la.flyfis. barda gerku
>>> cy: nago'i .i la.flyfis. barda najenai cmalu .i ri na'obra
>>> 33. cmalu sedyta'u ... barda sedyta'u ... na'obra sedyta'u
>>> 34. barda zdani ... cmalu zdani ... na'obra zdani
>>> 35. sy: la.djan. zvati ma
>>> cy: ri zvati tu
>>> 36. sy: mi zvati ma
>>> cy: do zvati ta vau doi.sam.
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
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>>
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>
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