Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {me ko'a} instead of {broda} ?

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:41 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry for quoting and not linking: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+gadri

As for "How to use xorlo", I understand it differently:

- lo with an outer quantifier, which is exactly the same thing as

just
sticking a number before an item (i.e. "mu lo bakni" == "mu bakni"
== "five
cows), works pretty much as before: "five things that really are
cows".

- lo's inner quantifier indicates the number of things we're
talking
about....

When we have both outer and inner quantifier, eg. {re lo mu bakni}, it
tells that we're talking about five cows, ie. the universe of disourse
contains five cows, but the number of cows we're stating something
about is two. And also, I think that this quoted text is not quite
clear.

Agreed. I've been double-checking my previous statement. Part of that involved determining when xorlo was accepted by the BPFK vs. when those definitions you quoted were written (as it was possible the definitions were for pre-xorlo lo). From what that text says, my statement is at least a likely interpretation, if not as is my opinion, the most likely. It is also wrong, as can be seen by the definitions, which I have determined are not pre-xorlo. So, yes, it should be {pa lo re ...} not {re lo pa ...}. I'll determine a better wording for what I quoted and update the page accordingly, so that we can prevent future jbopre from repeating my mistake.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 9 Mar, 10:29, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It can also be deduced from "BPFK Section: gadri".
>
> We have definitions:
> lo [PA] broda zo'e noi ke'a broda [gi'e zilkancu li PA lo broda]
> PA [sumti] PA da poi ke'a me [sumti]
>
> So, {pa lo re gusta} translates to {pa da poi ke'a me zo'e noi ke'a
> gusta gi'e zilkancu li re lo gusta}
> ie.
> "one (quantified) thing which is one of something, which is
> restaurant(s) and consists of two counting by units of restaurants" or
> something like that, or if you'd like it put more simply: "Never
> imagine yourself..." err sorry, "one of two restaurants".
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On 9 Mar, 10:12, Lindar <lindartheb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > re gusta = re lo gusta = "two things which actually are restaurants" =
> > > "two restaurants".
> > > re lo pa gusta = "one of two things (blah blah)" = "one of two
> > > restaurants".
> > > lo re gusta = "two of one or more things (blah blah)" = "two of X
> > > restaurants", where X is an unstated number.
>
> > You have this backward. One of two restaurants is {pa lo re gusta}.
> > Source: genrei

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