Re: [lojban-beginners] Phrasing question: time intervals

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

2012/3/14 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> On 13 March 2012 23:09, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 18:52:33 .arpis. wrote:
>>> "I will be free between 9:30 and 10:30 and between 1:00 and 5:00"
>>> {mi zilfre ze'a lo temci be li so pi mu bei li dau pi mu be'o .e lo
>>> temci be li pa bei li mu be'o}
>>>
>>> Is the use of {temci} correct here? {ze'a}?
>
> temci2 and temci3 are not numbers, but events.
> You may use {lo se tcika be li...}.

jbovlaste seems to indicate that they can be times or events, but
point taken that a number is neither.

>
>>> Is there a shorter way to say it?
>>
>
> My suggestion is
>  {mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o pano pi mu jo'u li pa bi'o mu}.

Do you mean {mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o *li* pano pi mu jo'u li pa
bi'o *li* mu}?

>
> You may use {e} instead of {jo'u} if you prefer.
> You could use a single mekso with the union-operator {jo'e}, but I recommend
> limiting the complexity of mekso.

I'll stay away from mekso for now, thank you very much.

>
>> I'd say "mi zifre ca li so pi'e cino bi'obo li pano pi'e cino .e li pa pi'e
>> bi'obo li mu pi'e". jbofi'e doesn't like that; it wants "lo'o" (the terminator
>> for "li") before "bi'o". One of the "bo" is necessary but the other isn't.
>>
>
> {ca} tags an event. A number is not an event. {ca lo se tcika be li...} should
> be acceptable. Even so, I don't think {ca} implies that the freeness extends
> along the whole interval, just that it intersects it.

True, but pragmatics would dictate that, even if I'm not available
throughout the entire interval, any point you request within the
interval is valid.

>
> I guess that jbofi'e complains because {bi'o} could be continuing the mekso.
> Maybe its a CFG vs. PEG thing?
>
> ta'o
>> I assume that the first period is in the morning and the second is in the
>> afternoon. To make that clear, I'd say "li pano pi'e cino pe le cerni ... li
>> mu pi'e pe le vanci" or "li paci pi'e bi'o li paze pi'e". If you're an
>> astronomer, you probably want to reverse the assumption. "pe le cerni"
>> associates only with "li pano pi'e cino", so if the interval crosses noon, you
>> can tag the first time with "pe le cerni" and the second with "pe le vanci" (or
>> tag both with "pe le donri"). If you want to tag the whole time interval with
>> "pe le cerni", I'm not sure. jbofi'e balks at "ke".
>>
>
> Why not use 24h time?
> For 12h time a convention similar to "a.m/p.m" could be used, since, e.g.,
> {pa pi mu vy} is a valid expression. Isn't there such kind of convention?

I don't think there's such a convention. I don't like using letterals
in numbers, mostly because I don't understand what it means, and I
don't think anyone have explained it clearly.

>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
>
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