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Re: [lojban-beginners] Major flaw in Lojban ! (was:Pivotal sentences in Pandunia. How to express them in Lojban ?)





On Friday, March 16, 2012 9:52:14 PM UTC+4, Lindar wrote:
OK. At least I can express "I want to sleep" as "mi djica lo nu ri sipna" and I have to memorise just {lonuri}, a lengthy but practical string.

There's an implicit {ce'u} there. You don't need {ri} because it's already assumed.
{mi djica lo nu sipna} is {mi djica lo nu ce'u sipna} is {mi djica lo nu mi sipna} is {mi djica lo nu mi sipna vau kei ku vau}.
 

Don't you think that {mi djica lo nu sipna} is too ambiguous ? Don't you think that it can include such cases as {mi djica lo nu ro sipna} {mi djica lo nu do sipna} {mi djica lo nu mi sipna} {mi djica lo nu mi'o sipna} ?

What I can tell you is that I would translate "I ask you to greet me"
(If I wanted to mention the pronouns) as {mi cpedu lo nu do rinsa mi},
which leaves the person being asked implicit, but taken in the present
tense, I can't easily think of a {te cpedu} that isn't {do}.

...or {mi cpedu lo nu rinsa kei do}.
{ko rinsa se va'u mi}
{ko rinsa fi'o se pluka mi}

The problem is that you're being Francocentric about your phrasing. Also, whatever language that is in the first post just looks like coded English. That's why you can get an English sentence to fit so nicely. If all you want is to be able to easily transliterate natlang phrases, just speak Esperanto. I'll stick with a few extra words instead of having to rely on tone and timing.

Also, {mi cpedu fi do poi rinsa mi} is "I ask of You Who Greets Me" kinda like it's a title. {poi} is probably not what you want and that's probably not what you want to say, even if you used {noi}, because it's not even implicit what you're asking.

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