Re: [lojban-beginners] Major flaw in Lojban ! (was:Pivotal sentences in Pandunia. How to express them in Lojban ?)

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:17:34PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:05:32PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote:
> > > > > UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. 《.au mi
> > > > > sipna》means 《mi sipna》 and you feel desire about it.
> > > > > 《.e'o rinsa》 means 《rinsa》 and you're suggesting
> > > > > something by it.
> > > >
> > > > That is not currently the case in the language, as you are
> > > > well aware, given your note at the end of
> > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinals
> > > >
> > > > {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert
> > > > {mi sipna}.
> > > >
> > > > -Robin
> > > >
> > >
> > > My understanding of that note means that it could mean any
> > > combination of "I desire that I sleep." and "I'm sleeping,
> > > about which I feel desire."
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't see much use for the second
> > > interpretation, but based on the note, it's a valid one.
> >
> > Sure, if you read *the note*.  The note is Lindar's opinion, it
> > is not the current state of the language.  The current state is
> > represented by the rest of the page.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> 
> Well, as long as the current state is that the latter is wrong,
> I'm happy, then.

Yes, currently {.au mi sipna} means only "I want to sleep", or
something very much like it.

-Robin

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