Abstractions within abstractions aren't at all uncommon.
You can see something like {mi djica lo nu mi kakne lo nu jbota'a se
cau lo nu pilno lo jbovlaste} everyday. It's not extremely
contrived, anyway.
The way to avoid all the terminators is to rearrange the order of
sumti. You can elide all of them by putting the selbri first.
lo nu mi djica lo nu mi kakne lo nu jbota'a se cau lo nu pilno lo
jbovlaste [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku] [vau] [kei] [ku]
[vau] [kei] [ku] mukti lo nu mi cafne tadni
You can avoid all the teminators by saying:
mukti lo nu mi cafne tadni kei fa lo nu mi djica lo nu mi kakne lo
nu jbota'a se cau lo nu pilno lo jbovlaste
This can be done pretty much always. Sometimes, however, using ku
will save you syllables.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
Am 20.03.2012 15:00, schrieb Jonathan Jones:
I didn't actually do the experimenting to determine
such a thing myself, so I really can't say exactly.
However, your example is extremely contrived. I highly doubt that
anyone would talk about an event of an event of an event of an
event in any real-life situation, nor can I conceive of what such
a thing is. I'm not even sure of what an event of an event is, let
alone the fourth iteration. (lodu'u broda losi'o brode lonu brodi
, on the other hand, at least makes some sort of coherent sense to
me, however.)
Also, vlasisku.lojban.org
appears to be down. Someone not about to go to sleep want to go on
IRC and let Robin et al know? (It happens that while I know there
are other NU, si'o du'u and nu are the only ones I remember off
the top of my head.)
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:15 AM,
MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 20 Mar, 13:23, Jonathan Jones < eyeo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is
actually easily elidable,
> unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago
that in the worst case, it
> would take a maximum of three terminators in the
absence of cu to correctly
> terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely
more than one.
What a about {lo nu broda lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu
brodo ku ku ku
ku brodu}? Jbofi'e says that it needs at least these
four {ku} if we
want to avoid {cu}.
I like avoiding {cu}, but only when it doesn't require a
string of
more than two terminators.
Maybe the original meant three distinct
terminators. You've used only one, albeit four times.
stevo
mu 'o mi'e ianek
> cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that
whereas .i implicitly adds
> whatever terminators are required to end the
previous sentence and begin a
> new one, cu does the same, but only up the
point of the selbri (, and
> please keep in mind that that is where my
comparison ends- I doubt there
> are any other similarities between cu and .i).
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki < gleki.is.my.n...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Well. We are preparing a textbook that
will teach how to speak lojban.
> > But this textbook must use as few words as
possible.
> > I wanna get rid of all words that can be
replaced by other words.
>
> > It's a textbook for newbies. So don't
worry. It will be an introduction to
> > Lojban.
>
> > On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM
UTC+4, stevo wrote:
>
> >> Even if it is possible to eliminate
{ku} in speech, why would you want to?
>
> >> stevo
>
>
> >>> Is it possible to completely get
rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we
> >>> rearrange words in extreme cases
and use other cmavo like {kei} and {cu} ?
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