Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ?

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:15:45 gleki wrote:
> https://sites.google.com/site/cernidirgo/menli-bangu-put-koteenka
> 
> The Kitten's Way is still in progress.

I don't know Russian well enough to translate into it, but I can read it 
fairly well.

In the Cyrillic alphabet for Lojban, ъ, not ы, is used for y. Ъ is not used as 
a vowel in Russian, but it is in Bulgarian, and as I understand it (I don't 
speak Bulgarian), it's closer to Lojban y than ы is.

> mi dunda lo plise ku fa'a do - я даю яблоко тебе.
I'd say "mi dunda lo plise ku do". "fa'a" is not a proper preposition but a 
spatial tense marker (though all tense markers can be used as prepositions) 
and doesn't denote motion unless preceded by "mo'i".

> zo'e pe do - что-то о тебе
"pe" isn't a preposition. It can be used to attach a prepositional phrase to a 
sumti (e.g. "le renro pe pa'o lo canko" means "the thrower who is through a 
window", which is different from "le renro be pa'o lo canko" which means "the 
thrower through a window", i.e. he throws something through a window). "pe" is 
in the same selma'o as "goi", which does something quite un-preposition-like.

> xu do cusku bau la .lojban. ? (Ты говоришь на Ложбане ?)
For "Do you speak Lojban?" I'd say "xu do se bangu la lojban". Is "Ты говоришь 
по-ложбански" proper Russian? Btw, what about "бурушаский язык"? (language 
isolate spoken in Hunza) You may want to point out that "xu", like "ли", can 
follow the word being questioned.

> ti me ma (Это что ?)
> plise (яблоко)
That has to be either "ti me ma? -- lo plise" or "ti mo? -- plise". "Что он 
делает" is "mo", not "me ma".

Enough comments for now. Keep up the good work!

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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