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Re: [lojban-beginners] Younger sister and older brother. Any lujvo suggestions ?



But the lujvo definition doesn't have to be identical with the tanru counterpart. I think the most useful definition should be used as the lujvo definition. My proposal:

citme'i: x1 is a little sister of/sororal to x2 [younger than x2] by bond/tie/standard/parent(s) x3; [not necessarily biological].
tolcitme'i: x1 is a big sister of/sororal to x2 [older than x2] by bond/tie/standard/parent(s) x3; [not necessarily biological].

In this way you could make distinctions with tanru like:

ri cu  citrai/citno/-/tolcitno/tolcitrai  citme'i/tolcitme'i/mensi/bruna/citybu'a/tolcitybu'a  mi

30 different kind of brothers and sisters including the elliptical/unspecified alternatives.

mu'omi'e jongausib

Den 25 mars 2012 17:43 skrev gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
I wonder how Asian languages work then


On Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:18:28 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
An older/younger sibling is older/younger relative to the person whose sibling they are. E.g., My younger brother is younger than *I* am. 
I've had a problem all my life with describing my brother who is a year younger than I am. I've called him my older brother, because he's the older of my two brothers, but he's still younger than I am. OTOH, calling him my older brother implies that he is older than I am. (Now I just don't talk about him.) 
So the seltau {citmau} may not be the best word to use for the meaning you want. 
stevo

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
So {citmau mensi} ?
Several languages in Tatoeba look like they have separate words for older and younger sister.


On Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:17:29 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:
Why do you need lujvo for such words? I suggest trying it with tanru first, then if the need (or desire) is great enough, create a lujvo. 

stevo

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 3:53 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
In some languages there are specific words for younger sister, older sister.
This is the problem I faced in Tatoeba when translating some sentences.

I believe we need lujvo for such words.
{citmau} or {citno} {mensi} are ambiguous.

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