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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma
On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:Er, no?
If you mean my "No", i was replying to this phrase "It might be so that taxonomists can't figure out what to call this
thing or that thing, but they will eventually come to some kind of
conclusion," only.
I can agree with the rest, though
The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
lojbanisations any day).
What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
aspects.
mu'o mi'e la tsani
On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
> In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
> {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for the
> item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
> twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
> fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
> with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that you're
> making stuff look like English because you speak English.
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
lojbanisations any day).
What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
aspects.
mu'o mi'e la tsani
On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
> In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
> {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for the
> item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
> twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
> fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
> with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that you're
> making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
lojbanisations any day).
What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
aspects.
mu'o mi'e la tsani
On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
> In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
> {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for the
> item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
> twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
> fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
> with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that you're
> making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
lojbanisations any day).
What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
aspects.
mu'o mi'e la tsani
On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
> In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
> {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for the
> item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
> twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
> fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
> with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that you're
> making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>
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