Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

Ah, gleki, I was pretty much only disagreeing with lindar. Assuming
"punica granatum" is the correct name, and that the thing is question
*is* a fruit, {grutrgranate} is the right type-3 for it.

On 8 July 2012 05:27, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>>
>> Er, no?
>
>
> If you mean my "No", i was replying to this phrase "It might be so that
> taxonomists can't figure out what to call this
> thing or that thing, but they will eventually come to some kind of
> conclusion," only.
> I can agree with the rest, though
>
>> The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
>> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
>> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
>> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
>> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
>> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
>> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
>> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
>> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
>> lojbanisations any day).
>>
>> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
>> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
>> aspects.
>>
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>>
>> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
>> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for
>> > the
>> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
>> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
>> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
>> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that
>> > you're
>> > making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>> >
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> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>>
>> Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
>> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
>> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
>> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
>> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
>> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
>> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
>> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
>> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
>> lojbanisations any day).
>>
>> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
>> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
>> aspects.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>>
>> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
>> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for
>> > the
>> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
>> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
>> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
>> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that
>> > you're
>> > making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>> >
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> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>>
>> Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
>> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
>> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
>> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
>> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
>> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
>> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
>> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
>> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
>> lojbanisations any day).
>>
>> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
>> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
>> aspects.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>>
>> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
>> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for
>> > the
>> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
>> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
>> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
>> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that
>> > you're
>> > making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>> >
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> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 1:03:19 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>>
>> Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final
>> vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final
>> vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself
>> ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real
>> bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no,
>> this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in
>> English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course),
>> so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no
>> expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over
>> lojbanisations any day).
>>
>> What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that
>> certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all
>> aspects.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la tsani
>>
>> On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer
>> > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for
>> > the
>> > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird
>> > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the
>> > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do
>> > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that
>> > you're
>> > making stuff look like English because you speak English.
>> >
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