On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM, cariar.jermanis
<primitive_tetrapod@yahoo.com> wrote:
Coi ro do,
I am just learning Lojban. For my first post, I am going to list some lujvo (compound words, from my understanding) that I have made to express certain English words in Lojban. Here is what I have contrived so far:
Animals:
- pangolin - ?*mantyctimabru (? + mantyctimabru; scaly anteater) *Here I am trying to figure out what Lojbanic word would mean "scale" in the sense of an integumentary flake, as on a reptile, a fish, or on the wings of a butterfly or moth.
I don't believe we've ever created a satisfactory one. Perhaps kardyskapi?
- tadpole - cifpipybanfi (cif, rafsi of cifnu + pipybanfi; baby frog), on the model of "ciftoldi" (caterpillar).
The cnanonical form would actually be cifpi'ebanfi
- froglet - naru'epipybanfi (naru'e + pipybanfi; almost-frog)
That's not a lujvo,and breaks up into na ru'e pipybanfi. May I suggest jbipi'ebanfi?
- newly-metamorphosed frog* - ci'opipybanfi (ci'o, rafsi of citno + pipybanfi; young frog) *What I like to call a "baby frog."
This is also not a lujvo, and would break apart into ci'o pipybanfi. What you want is "citpi'ebanfi"
Ecology:
- extinction (in the sense of hunting to or intentionally causing extinction) - mulcatra (mul, rafsi of mulno + catra; complete kill)
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extinction (in the sense of dying out naturally or indirectly caused by human activity) - mulnunmro (mul, rafsi of mulno + nunmro)
Note that I have consulted the jbovlaste for the words (and Wiktionary for "mantyctimabru"). I have probably made some mistakes here - please let me know what you all think!
Tu'u,
cariar.jermanis.
PS: When is the schwa (y) added between gismu and their respective rafsi, as seen in "pipybanfi" and "mantyctimabru?" For pipybanfi, the rafsi "pip" of the gismu "plipe" does not have a final vowel, so I will suppose that the schwa is added as a helping vowel. The gismu "manti," which, according to the jbovlaste, does not appear to have any rafsi, has a final vowel, and the word "anteater" in Lojban could be spelled as mantictimabru, but the final "i" of manti is made into a schwa. Why is this?
See the reference grammar, chapter 4, sections 5 and 6 for the long answer, but the short answer is the "y" must be added between two consonants that cannot go together (for example, voiced with unvoiced, two of the same consonant, or any of j/z/s/c with each other). In addition it must be added to the end of four letter rafsi (which are just the full gismu with the final fvowel dropped off), which can never appear at the end.
--gejyspa