Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Where should I use sets and where should I use masses?

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is exactly the problem with Lojban. It aims at being logical, but
> the more logical, the more unusable it is, and vice versa. Some time
> ago I thought it was possible to translate from Lojban to formal
> logic...

If simxu has the precise technical meaning of "clique", there's
nothing stopping us from having another selbri brodysi'u with the more
vague meaning, and if simxu has the more vague meaning, there's
nothing stopping us from defining another selbri with the more
specific technical meaning. The fact that both predicates can coexist
in the language doesn't affect how logical the language is or how easy
or difficult it is to translate into formal logic. Whatever the
meaning of simxu, it will go into formal logic as something like S( ,
) anyway, so its meaning  does not make the language any more or less
logical. If what you are looking for is a precise definition of
"simxu", then it will probably be in terms of "so'a" or "so'e" rather
than in terms of "ro", and not as straightforward as the mathematical
definition of "clique", but this doesn't make it less logical, just
more difficult to define. But if you consider "so'a" and "so'e"
illogical, then yes, Lojban is irredeemably illogical.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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