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Re: [lojban-beginners] I think I can use "kau" to express Japanese "ga" and "wa"
ki'e la tsani
ki'e .asiz.
It's true that "watashi ga/wa iku" are declarations. These are not questions.
I understand that I can use {ba'e}.
{ba'e mi klama} = "watashi ga iku"
{mi ba'e klama} = "watashi wa iku"
But {ba'e} is vague.
To use kau may be more strict.
I think that listener's knowledge is essential to languages.
{mi djuno lodu'u la djan. kau klama} is "I know that it's John who go".
Listener may know someone goes, but may not know who goes.
It mean:
[Tom go, Jack go, John go ... ] -> [John go]
Before meaning list is narrowed to after meaning list.
I think its essential to language that [before meaning list] is narrowed to [after meaning list].
I want to strictly express this narrowing by {kau}.
I want to use {kau} outside {du'u}.
It's good that I can say following.
la djan. kau klama
(You know that someone goes. I inform you that it's John who goes)
And I can do ordering more strictly.
{mi viska da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who loves you" or "Please be loved by the person who I see".
And {mi viska kau da gi'e da prami ko} is "Please show me the person who loves you".
[I don't see X and X loves you, I see X and X loves you ... ] -> [I see X and X loves you]
And {mi viska da gi'e da prami kau ko} is "Please be loved by the person who I see".
[I see X and X don't loves you, I see X and X loves you ...] -> [I see X and X loves you]
I want you to understand "before meaning list".
I don't know that this _expression_ is appropriate.
And the idea is essential to languages, isn't it?
2012年10月12日金曜日 13時13分18秒 UTC+9 .asiz.:On 12 October 2012 00:16, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:
> {.i do xu klama} "Is it you who goes?" (as opposed to someone else)
> {.i do klama xu} "Are you *going*?" (as opposed to doing something else)
>
I understood that "watashi ga/wa iku" are declarations, not questions...
In any case, it is relevant to point that, in the case of yes/no questions,
the non-initial position of {xu} marks the preceding element as a focus
of the question, no doubt or debate on that.
In other words, if {kau} marked the focus of sentences in general,
the following pairs could be considered equivalent.
{.i do xu klama} ~ {.i xu do kau klama}
{.i do klama xu} ~ {.i xu do klama kau}
mu'o
mi'e .asiz.
> On 11 October 2012 17:21, .iocikun.juj. <yoshiku...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> English "I go" is "watashi ga iku" or "watashi wa iku" in Japanese.
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