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Re: [lojban-beginners] Place structure of lujvo



On 14 October 2012 14:47, mashers <mail@mashley.net> wrote:


On Sunday, 14 October 2012 22:07:41 UTC+1, tsani wrote:

I usually just use ciksi when discussing what the definition of a word is (according to ciksi1),

So you could do { la jbovlaste ciksi zo tamgau fo zoi by. g1 defines t2 into form t1 .by. }


Yes. (you missed a terminator before {ciksi} however) I'd probably use la'e before the zoi, too, but I'm not sure if a quote in itself constitutes an explanation.
 
Is that right? By the way, the by. and .by. in that bridi are based on the section in What Is Lojban, page 39, on quotations, where quoted non-Lojban text is surrounded by {by.} and {.by.}. When I looked this up in the jbovlaste it stated that {by} is simply the letter 'b'. So I'm not sure what function it serves in this bridi.
 

{by} is indeed the letter 'b'. zoi-quotes function by taking a user-decided delimiter after the word {zoi} itself. After the delimiter, you put any text you like, so long as it doesn't contain the delimiter, and then end the quote with the delimiter at the end. Formally, the structure is 
zoi [delim] any-text [delim].

The delimiter can be any one single lojban word. That includes full gismu, lujvo, zi'evla, cmevla, and cmavo.
 
but I suppose that {jdice lo du'u makau smuni} could be used for the sense of "ascribe a meaning to something".

I didn't understand that sentence. Please could you translate it for me? Even looking up the words in the jbovlaste I was unable to understand what it meant. 

.u'i Yes, indirect questions in Lojban sure are fun :p 
For example {mi djuno lo du'u makau klama lo zarci} -> "I know who goes to the store." The word {ma} here isn't actually a question, but an indirect question, which must be marked with {kau}. 

Here, the translation is "decide what is the meaning of".

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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