On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:43 AM, mudri
<jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
Your first answer gave no new information? By the title of the thread, I implied that I knew that {ja'e} matched up to {seri'a}, {semu'i} and others.
Still not contradictory to the other post.
Regardless, {ja'e} is not a because. {seja'e} is, but that's not what you were asking. And the reason to use {seja'e} vs. anything else is for the same reason to use nu vs. anything else- it's general. Use the others if you want to be more specific, use {seja'e} if you don't.
On Saturday, 3 November 2012 10:30:52 UTC, aionys wrote:
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:41 AM, mudri
<jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
These two replies are contradictory, though I'm more convinced by the second.
No they aren't. His example is using {se ja'e}, whereas mine uses {ja'e}.
seja'e = "... results because of ..."
ja'e = "... resulting in ..."
What comes before {se ja'e} is a result of what comes after {se ja'e}. What comes before {ja'e} results in what comes after {ja'e}.
So which more specific "therefore" would be used in the first answer's example?
On Saturday, 3 November 2012 07:16:16 UTC, tijlan wrote:
On 2 November 2012 17:34, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can someone explain {ja'e} to me, and why I shouldn't use one of the "because" modals in its place?
{ja'e} comes from {jalge}, which says that x1 is an outcome of x2,
without specifying the nature of "because". {ja'e ___} refers to the
consequence; use {se ja'e ___} for the antecedent.
{ri'a}, {mu'i}, {ki'u}, {ni'i} ... are more specific. Also their x1 &
x2 are the inverse of {ja'e}'s; it's {ri'a ___}, not {se ri'a ___},
that refers to the antecedent.
You can replace {se ja'e} with a more specific modal:
lo bloti cu spofu se ja'e lo nu janli
The ship is broken, from (as a result of) the collision.
lo bloti cu spofu ri'a lo nu janli
The ship is broken, physically from (as a physical effect of) the collision.
mu'o
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