Re: [lojban-beginners] Fullstop

Can't you just say "la'e me'o denpa bu", without "lo me..."?

What's the real difference between "me" and "la'e"?

Well for starters, their grammatical functions are entirely different, but in particular, me means "x1 is among the referents of [sumti]"; not sure off the top of my head what the x2 does under xorlo / xorxo {me}. As for {la'e}, it dereferences the sumti, and refers to those things to which the symbol of the sumti are indicative. In other words, {la'e zoi url http://example.org url} differs drastically from {lo me zoi url http://example.org url} because the former refers to the actual web site or its content, whereas the second refers still to another text.

And one more thing I would like to ask:
How do you express "triple periods" in lojban? For example, when someone start saying something but doesn't finish the sentence, but rather fade out in the middle of it, or similar cases.

Fading out like that can be ungrammatical in some cases, but in others it's something I'm not entirely sure how to render in Lojban.

And is there any lojbanic way to show that text has been omitted, for example in quotations?

Of course, there's a cmavo for that {li'o}. It's a UI, so a free modifier, and the surrounding text needs to stay grammatical.

mu'omi'e jongausib

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21 nov 2012 kl. 02:08 skrev Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>:

Well, a minor detail: {me'o denpa bu} refers to the actual symbol, but in the common IRC parlance, there're a few ways to actually refer to the concept of the "pause" (which isn't actually necessarily a pause; the glottal stop is just a sound like any other, but it has the alternative of being substituted for by silence). Among others, there's {lo me denpa bu} which has the obvious issue of {denpa bu} referring to something ('cause letterals can be pronouns). {lo me la'e me'o denpa bu} but that's just too verbose for anyone to ever say. That being said, the way that I advocate, which is also advocated by some others, is {lo depybu'i} which makes surprising use of {bu}'s rafsi, -bu'i-.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 20 November 2012 16:38, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:

A full stop in lojban represents a pause in speech. You need to pause in speech to show that the next word begins with a vowel, or that you have finished saying a name.

English uses a full stop to separate sentences. The way to separate sentences in lojban is to use the word "i". Because it's a word beginning with a vowel, it is normally written with a full stop before it. eg

ti mlatu .i ta gerku
This is a cat. That is a dog

But it is the word "i", not the full stop that is separating the sentences.

The word in lojban for the full stop is "denpabu", ie "the pause letter"

-- Ross

On 21 November 2012 11:09, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

It seems like there's a lot of periods, fullstops in Lojban. Why would you want to put them either at the beginning or in the middle of a word?

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