[lojban-beginners] Re: Question

[ianek <janek37@gmail.com>]

On 24 Lis, 10:39, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:37 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:20 PM, mudri <jammyatja...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> The curly braces are quotes for Lojban text within text of other
> >>> languages. I'm not quite sure why they're used, but it's a kind of standard.
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> >>> For upper case apostrophe, I'll give the example of the name of selma'o
> >>> {KOhA} (again, braces are "quotes"). It is derrived from {ko'a}. So, as 'K'
> >>> is capital 'k', 'h' is capital apostrophe.
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> >> Actually, "KOhA" isn't Lojban. It's the English name for the group. 'h'
> >> was chosen because the computers that were being used at the time wouldn't
> >> allow using " ' ", and it kind of stuck. In Lojban, "KOhA" is {lo selma'o
> >> be ko'a}*
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> > *Sorry, {lo cmavo be ko'a} (or {lo selma'o be fe ko'a}, but that one's
> > ugly.)
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> ... fa

Why? First, I'd use a {zo} to quote {ko'a} (we want to refer to a
word). Second, why {lo selma'o be zo ko'a} is wrong? Third, why {lo
cmavo be zo ko'a} is better? cmavo2 is a selma'o, zo ko'a is a cmavo,
not a selma'o. KOhA is a selma'o, lo cmavo is obviously a cmavo.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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> >>> On Saturday, 24 November 2012 00:14:36 UTC, Annie wrote:
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> >>>> Are you saying that left-brace is sort of a letter? What do you mean by
> >>>> upper apostrophe, or whatever?
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> >>>> Sent from my iPod
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> >>>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 5:19 PM, mudri <jammya...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>> Just to add something, 'h' is the upper case version of the apostrophe
> >>>> (both called {.y'y.}). This really only ever occurs in selma'o names,
> >>>> though it is very common in these.
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> >>>> It is called a "half letter" sometimes for various reasons. Matt
> >>>> explained how it only appears between vowels, and is unique in this respect
> >>>> (commas, if I remember correctly, can be used next to syllabic consonants -
> >>>> but that's unimportant). The apostrophe also has no effect on morphology:
> >>>> CVV and CV'V syllables behave identically (other than having different
> >>>> meanings). Finally, it is counted almost literally as half a letter in the
> >>>> lujvo scoring algorithm. "Something that acts as half a letter", I suppose
> >>>> someone thought, "should have 'half' a glyph, pe'a".
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> >>>> On Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:50:10 UTC, Annie wrote:
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> >>>>> I found out that in Lojban, there's apparently no h. How is that so,
> >>>>> when the apostrophe is practically the h?
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> >>>>> Sent from my iPod
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> >> --
> >> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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