Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Possessives

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:

How can there possibly be ten thirdcomperson prosumti?

There's actually more than 10, if you count the first-letter kind.

Do they all mean he, she, it, or they, or is there some hidden meanings I didn't know about?

Yes and yes. Unlike in English, where "he" for example can be a different person each time (, "Bob and Jerry went to the store. He bought apples while he went to the bathroom."), in Lojban each of the prosumti always refer to the same thing. With the go'V and fo'V series, what they are referring to is usually explicitly mentioned with {goi}. For instance, if I said

{la.djan. goi ko'a barda}, it means
"John, who will henceforth be referred to by 'ko'a', is big.",

and from then on, whenever I say {ko'a}, it means that particular John.

What are the actual words?

ko'a, ko'e, ko'i, ko'o, ko'u, fo'a, fo'e, fo'i, fo'o, and fo'u are the prosumti variables (, meaning they don't refer to anything until they've been assigned, either explicitly with {goi} or implicitly via context). The consonants (cy., dy., fy., gy., etc.) can also be prosumti, and when used as such, refer to the most recent sumti beginning with that letter:

{la.djan. nelci lo plise .i dy. barda .i py. kukte}
"John likes apples. John is big. Apples are tasty."

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On Nov 24, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless I'm wrong, {lo mi kumfa} and {lo kumfa pe mi} have exactly the
same meaning.

They do. {lo mi kumfa} is literally just shorthand for {lo kumfa pe mi}.

There are also other ways, but those listed by remod are the most
important.
And, you misspelled "sumti" as "su,ti". No need to confuse Annie more
than necessary (zo'o)
Capital V in {ko'V} and {fo'V} means any vowel of a, e, i, o, u
(there's a total of ten third person pro-sumti, not counting
letterals).

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 24 Lis, 22:36, Remo Dentato <rdent...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For possessive you have many option.
>
> 1. using {pe} to indicate an association: "my room (where I sleep)" -> { lo
> kumfa pe mi }
> 2. using {po} to indicate possession: "my room (that I own)" -> { lo kumfa
> po mi }
> 3. using one of the personal pro-sumti: "my room (in an unspecified sense"
> -> { lo mi kunfa }
> 4. using the dedicated su,ti place like in "my father" -> { lo patfu be mi }
>
> The role of pronouns is played, in Lojban, by the pro-sumti. Note that
> they are not exactly the same! It's better not to try to translate English
> concepts directly into Lojban. It's much better to understand how things
> work in Lojban and then try to use them to express what you want to say.
>
> If you're just asking for personal pronouns the first and second person is
> covered by:
>
> {mi} -> me (the speaker)
> {do} -> you (the listener)
> {ko} -> you (imperative)
> {do'o} -> you and others but not me
> {mi'o} -> you and me but not others
> {ma'a} -> me, you and others
> {mi'a} -> me and others but not you
>
> For third person one uses the assignable pro-sumti {ko'V} and {fo'V} or a
> the first letter of the sumti you want to refer to.
>
> I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku goi ko'a .i ko'a bajra}
> I saw a dog. it was running -> {mi viska lo gerku .i gy. bajra}
>
> co'o mu'o mi'e la remod
>
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> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Annie <park.an...@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
> > How do you make a word possessive in Lojban? Also, what are the pronouns
> > in Lojban?
>
> > Sent from my iPod
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(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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