How can pronouns be so complicated that you have to have a whole chapter on them?
Sent from my iPod And there are even more, that haven't been mentioned in this discussion, like ri, ra and ru, (basically the most recently mentioned thing, something mentioned further back, and something even further back) vo'a, vo'e, vo'i, vo'o, and vo'u (the first through fifth sumti associated with the main bridi in this utterance), ti, ta, tu, ("pointing" indicators to things in the real world -- this, that, that over yonder), ways to refer to the sentences you are actually saying, etc. Refer to chapter 7 of the grammar for the complete list and details. The equivalent of pronouns in lojban are complicated enough to warrant an entire chapter.
--gejyspa On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
There are even more than ten. The point is that our pronouns we use are highly ambigous.
If I say: "Sam met Mark. He was sad" who is the sad one? You can't tell.
In Lojban you can assign a pro-sumti to make this explicit:
if Sam was the sad one: { la .sem. goi ko'a penmi la .mark. .i ko'a badri }
if Mark was the sad one: { la .sem. penmi la .mark. goi ko'a .i ko'a badri }
Once assigned, {ko'a} will always have the same referent unless it is reassigned.
But you can also simply use the first letter of the sumti as a pro-sumti:
{ la .sam. penmi la .mark. i sy. badri }
{ la .sam. penmi la .mark. i my. badri }
The rule here is that a letter refers with the last sumti that started with that letter.
You can also assign letters, in which case they retain their referent throughout the text. If you say:
{ la .sam. goi sy. penmi la .mark. }
the letter {sy} will always refer to Sam in the following text.
It is subject to discussion whether using an unassigned pro-sumti is to be considered "good Lojban" or not.
If you structure your Lojban sentences carefully, you'll see that you won't need the third person much.
For example:
{ la .sam. poi badri cu penmi la .mark. }
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