Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban

[Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>]

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:12 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 05:49:08PM -0400, Ian Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:40 PM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
> > {pa le karci} or {pa karci} (if a number preceeds the bridi you don't necessarily
> > need an article, you can think about this as {pa lo karci}) can be used
> > for that, an inner quantifier is not needed here.
>
> {pa karce} is rather unlikely to mean what you want. In particular it does
> *NOT* mean the same as {pa lo karce}. Instead it actually means exactly
> what {pa lo karce} meant before xorlo was implemented, that is "there
> exists exactly one car such that ..."

Agreed, I never use that and got confused when reading

lo with an outer quantifier, which is exactly the same thing
as just sticking a number before an item (i.e. "mu lo bakni" == "mu bakni"
== "five cows), works pretty much as before: "five things that really are cows".

at http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo . Someone might want to rephrase that.

mi'e la .van. mu'o

Oh wow, that's not good at all, that's completely inconsistent with the formal definition in the proposal proper...

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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