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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Mixing tenses



tanru are frequently adequate, but I think we pretty much all agree that they aren't a "solution", they're a way of getting things across when it's obvious what you mean.

But the semantics of tanru fits the task very well. Seltau selects a subclass in a broad class of relations that can be expressed by tertau. And that is just what we need. The only drawback is that it is undefined, which subclass is selected. :D
 
As the "respect as a leader" example shows, there are often several obvious things that you might mean by a tanru.

ko'e gidva se sinma ko'a

What one would think it can mean, besides the intended meaning? In a typical situation the listener already knows that {ko'e gidva}.
 
That {tai lo'e nu} construct is interesting, but it seems to be more like a selbri relative clause (which is what I proposed on IRC) than a tag construct. ({tai} in general is like this, which is why I've never particularly liked it.)

{tai} is just a shorthand. We can expand it further:

lo nu mi nelci do ku fasnu gi'e simsa lo'e nu zu'i nelci lo pendo be ri kei lo ka tarmi ce'u

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