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Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban sounds and Wikipedia article about those sounds




On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:15:58 -0300
Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >
> You may find this useful http://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/lojban. which has
> links to all of them.

Thanks for this link.

I'm now working on that (after a while without working on lojban). However, is the “o” sound correct here? It points to a close-mid back unrounded vowel (no english example on the Wikipedia page), but I'm almost certain that it should be a rounded one (like in “y_aw_n”, if I believe Wikipedia). I've used that latter sound in the Wave lesson, but it's a two letters change if I'm wrong ;-)

I changed it to Mid back rounded vowel in the article, which I'm pretty sure is what I had originally, someone must have changed it to Close-mid back unrounded. I also changed "e" to Mid front unrounded. Both rounded and unrounded are allowed, as there is no specification of roundedness for vowels, but if you must go one way I'd go with rounded o and unrounded e. It also doesn't need to be Close-mid. The specification for "o" is "a back mid vowel" and for "e" it's "a front mid vowel".


Also, about the “r” (I have a long story with the “r” ;-)), it points to an alveolar tap. I thought it was an alveolar trill! My mistake (if it is one) comes from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Phonology_and_orthography], I guess, where an alveolar trill is given for the “r”. And it had something to do with the spanish “r”, too, but I don't remember where I did read that, and anyway, on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R], we can see that both sound are used in spanish (so, it was not precise, but not false to do that kind of comparison). Well, I would like to know what is the “best” sound (as the two are correct, thank to lojban laxism about sounds differentiation). First, to point it as an example, second, to correct any “prefered way” that I could have put in the french translation (as the french “r” is really different from both sounds, I spent some time on it).

Many are allowed, but the alveolar tap is probably the most common across languages, and so I think it's the one that should be preferred.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
 

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