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Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban sounds and Wikipedia article about those sounds



On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:15:58 -0300
Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Daeldir <daeldir@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > While translating the Lojban Wave Lesson Zero, about lojban letters
> > pronunciation, in french, I used some Wikipedia linguistic articles to
> > describe the “x” and “r” in lojban.
> >
> > Wikipedia has sound samples for every lojbanic sound, I think, as we can
> > see on those few examples:
> >
> > L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_lateral_approximant
> > O: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_rounded_vowel
> > R: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill
> > X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative
> >
> > I was thinking it would be nice to cover all the lojban sounds in the
> > lesson zero (we actually don't specify the sounds that don't change from
> > english), and to link those Wikipedia articles on each letter.
> >
> > However, one might argue that these articles are too specific to be put in
> > a learning material, and that, as the lojban letters accept many
> > pronunciations, linking to one sound would be too restrictive.
> >
> > So, I ask here if you think such a work would be interesting. I can put up
> > a list of the lojban sounds and their Wikipedia articles – there may even
> > be diphtongs, I'm not sure. Also, as I am not a linguist, nor a veteran
> > lojbanist, I can make mistakes. So, if you tell me that it is a good idea,
> > I would make that list, and post it here for review, before modifying the
> > lesson.
> >
> >
> You may find this useful http://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/lojban. which has
> links to all of them.
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 

Thanks for this link.

I'm now working on that (after a while without working on lojban). However, is the “o” sound correct here? It points to a close-mid back unrounded vowel (no english example on the Wikipedia page), but I'm almost certain that it should be a rounded one (like in “y_aw_n”, if I believe Wikipedia). I've used that latter sound in the Wave lesson, but it's a two letters change if I'm wrong ;-)

Also, about the “r” (I have a long story with the “r” ;-)), it points to an alveolar tap. I thought it was an alveolar trill! My mistake (if it is one) comes from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Phonology_and_orthography], I guess, where an alveolar trill is given for the “r”. And it had something to do with the spanish “r”, too, but I don't remember where I did read that, and anyway, on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R], we can see that both sound are used in spanish (so, it was not precise, but not false to do that kind of comparison). Well, I would like to know what is the “best” sound (as the two are correct, thank to lojban laxism about sounds differentiation). First, to point it as an example, second, to correct any “prefered way” that I could have put in the french translation (as the french “r” is really different from both sounds, I spent some time on it).

Now, I'm back to translations.

mu'o mi'e la .daeldir.

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