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Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban sounds and Wikipedia article about those sounds



On Saturday, June 1, 2013 4:53:28 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Friday, May 31, 2013 22:11:33 Daeldir wrote:
> Also, about the “r” (I have a long story with the “r” ;-)), it points to an
> alveolar tap. I thought it was an alveolar trill! My mistake (if it is one)
> comes from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Phonology_and_orthography],
> I guess, where an alveolar trill is given for the “r”. And it had something
> to do with the spanish “r”, too, but I don't remember where I did read
> that, and anyway, on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R], we can see that both
> sound are used in spanish (so, it was not precise, but not false to do that
> kind of comparison). Well, I would like to know what is the “best” sound
> (as the two are correct, thank to lojban laxism about sounds
> differentiation). First, to point it as an example, second, to correct any
> “prefered way” that I could have put in the french translation (as the
> french “r” is really different from both sounds, I spent some time on it).

Both the tap and the trill are valid "r" sounds, and are allophones in Lojban
(unlike Spanish, where they are two different phonemes between vowels). My
pronunciation rule is something like this: a trill at the beginning or end of
a word, a tap between vowels, a trill before a consonant, a tap after a
consonant, and as in English "mercy" between two consonants.

What? Is English alveolar/retroflex approximant not allowed? 



Pierre
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