Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi?

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

I agree with latro'a. {ce'u} is for marking arguments in functions constructed primarily with the {ka} abstractor. If we use the property-based lujvo for desire, {kaidji}, then we can use {ce'u} without a problem:

.i ma kaidji lo ka ce'u ponse lo mi gerku
[what?] desires the property [X owns the (restrictively-associated-with)-me dog]
Who wants to have my dog?

{ka}-abstractions with only one {ce'u} are sometimes called infinitives for that reason, namely that they translate to infinitives in English and similar natural languages.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 23 April 2014 15:12, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

I disagree with this usage in a pretty fundamental way. {ce'u} is for building functions, pe'i.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 09:12:38 neit wrote:
> coi rodo
>
> A good example that I'm trying to wrap my brain around is the following:
> Suppose I want to say, "Who wants my dog?"  bau la lojban - .i ma djica lo
> nu ____ ponse lo mi gerku
>
> I want a sumka'i in the ____ to refer to the "ma" in the main bridi.  How
> can I do that?  Can I use the reflexive sumka'i vo'a?  (.i ma djica lo nu
> vo'a ponse lo mi gerku)?  Or do those reflexive sumka'i only refer to their
> native bridi, or can they "reach-out" and refer to the main bridi of which
> they are a part?

I'd use "ce'u", since it's in a nu-clause.

Pierre
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