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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: "To have". Translation.

{ralte} is about having something on your person. You can't {ralte} a typical {zdani} (except, for example, a cardboard box You can {ponse} a {zdani}, but this is rather different from {se zdani}-ing the {zdani}. For example, you might own a property that you rent out while residing elsewhere; then you {ponse} but do not {se zdani}. Conversely you might be the renter; then you {se zdani} but do not {ponse}.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:04 PM, volcpitar <apeal@comcast.net> wrote:


On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 1:15:34 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:


2015-01-25 7:29 GMT+03:00 volcpitar <ap...@comcast.net>:
Given what is said above how would you best say the following?:

1.  Do you have a pencil (on  you)?  (I might need to borrow one)

Lo do terci'a vi xu zasti?

xu do vi ralte lo pinsi


2.  Do you have a car (with you today)?

Xu vi karce do?

xu do se kansa lo karce ca lo cabdei
 

3.  Do you have my book (in your possession)?  (I don't see it on the table where I left it.)

Xu do vi ponse lo mi cukta?

{ponse} is for legal possession. Usually {ralte} is again better in such situations.


4.  Do you have a house or an apartment?

Do ge'i se zdadi'u gi kumyzda?

{xu do ponse lo dinju} = Do you own a house?
lo kumyzda - apartment

As for attempts to fill in certain places they have their usage too:
xu do se zdani lo barda kumyzda
zu do se kumyzda lo barda
 = Do you live in a big apartment?

Of course, I translated your examples without trying to rework your own translations. 
lo se klani be lo se jinvi so'iroi zmadu lo se klani be lo jinvi
 
ki'e do sidju mi.  (Thanks for helping).  I hadn't realized that "ralte" had this meaning.


By the way, is there any appreciable difference in meaning between:


xu do ralte lo zdani?

and

xu do se zdani da?


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