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Re: [lojban-beginners] What actually are the rules of word formation?

de'i li 2015-04-20 ti'u li 01:52 la .xorxes. di'e cusku:

A few minor comments:
Thanks for the corrections. I've found a few more points which I'll handle below. 


    i as a glide can't follow a diphthong ending in i, and u as a glide
    can't follow the diphthong au.


This rule hasn't been implemented yet. Currently it's just that a glide
can't follow a diphthong.
It is in the experimental grammar though, and seems to be the only difference in morphology between official and experimental. 

- diphthong = (a i / a u / e i / o i) !nucleus !glide
+ diphthong = (a u !u / (a i / e i / o i) !i) !nucleus
Was there any opposition to having this in the official grammar, other than opposition to glides in general not needing a glottal stop? The 
change doesn't affect any existing valid parses (or does it?)

de'i li 2015-04-19 ti'u li 22:19 la mezohe di'e cusku:

An initial rafsi is any one of these:
[...]
- a zihevla that ends in a vowel syllable with its final vowel replaced
   with y, unless the result breaks up into a string of any other rafsi
     e.g. ka,'or,ty  a,sny
Firstly the final syllable can only have a vowel, not a diphthong, and secondly, in the current grammar, it can't start with a glide, only a consonant. (Is there a reason for that second restriction?) 


Other non-words also behave like slinkuhi, in that prepending a cmavo
makes them a word, but these arise from rules other than the one named
slinkuhi.


A cmavo containing no "y", that is.


A tosmabru {valrtosmabru} is a sequence of cmavo followed by a brivla.
tosmabru can be coerced into being brivla by adding a consonant at the
end of the last syllable of the first cmavo.


Again, the cmavo can't contain "y"

(jbofihe comparison section)

   - Syllables beginning with glides are their own type, and if not
     preceded by a glottal stop, they continue the word like an
     h-syllable.
       e.g. {.aierne} is one word, not two,
            {.ia} always starts with a glottal stop
This ignores words like {biardo}, which camxes used to accept, and {bliardo}, which I don't remember it ever doing. More accurately said, what camxes sees as a glide-vowel pair, jbofihe sees as a diphthong, and together with the next rule diphthong-glide strings continue to be allowed. 


   - Syllables beginning with vowels don't require a word boundary
     before them.

(with vowels or diphthongs)

       e.g. {sincrboa} is a word, {.joan.} is a word


{bliardo}, {bauiardo}, {.aierne}, {malrfiasko} are all words.
Also, strings like {fiasko} and {mrafia} are not words in jbofihe, though consonant-glide-happy camxes did accept them, since they are seen as lujvo-shaped but with illegal rafsi. 

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