Re: [lojban-beginners] example of lujvo-making?

[Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>]

tosmabru is a specific morphological problem, which does not actually come up very often, but is a "gotcha" when it does come up. Its most common form is CVCCVCCV, which would form if you had a CVC rafsi (like the hypothetical "tos") and a CVCCV gismu (like the hypothetical "mabru"), typically one that doesn't have a short form rafsi which ends in a vowel (since then you would use that and there wouldn't be a problem). 

What happens is a morphological ambiguity (actually it isn't an ambiguity, since a convention was adopted) between {tosmabru} and {to smabru}. If you notice, these do not differ in stress; {to} is unstressed, and in both cases the stressed vowel is the "a". The decision was made that the sounds in {tosmabru} split into {to smabru}, and that the correct lujvo is {tosymabru}, which is fine because {symabru} has an illegal usage of {y}, and so no fragmentation is possible.

In short, if pulling a CV off the front of a lujvo would result in a phrase which does not differ in stress from the original word and which is a morphologically legal (not necessarily existent) word unto itself, you have a tosmabru failure. Consequently tosmabru can also apply to longer lujvo as well.

.i .a'o sidju .i mu'o mi'e latros

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:37 PM, jongausib <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

coi roda jbopli,

I'm not very good at lojban yet. However I like to think about the
meaning of words and so far I have entered a lot of lojban-swedish
entries in jbovlaste.

Now I would like to translate some concepts into lujvo, but I'm not
quite sure how to get the lujvos right. I've read Lojban reference
grammar about lujvo-making (chapter 4, section 11), but I don't
understand the test for `tosmabru failure''.
(I do however understand everything else about considerations, lujvo-
scoring and place structure!).

Could anyone please give me examples how to do these things right?

ba ki'e

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