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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Friends will be friends



The degree of tautology in English seems to me acceptable, because there is additional meaning behind the verb phrase "to be a friend".

It is [almost, now that xorlo is in effect] definitionally true that {lo broda cu broda}; perhaps "friends behave as typical good friends"?

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, the english sounds tautolgical to me.  But that's not necessarily a bad thing.  Sometimes we use tautologies to pull the familiarity away from a word that has come to almost be a name.  "people are people", "haters gonna hate".  "lo pendo cu pendo" sounds to me like "friends are friends" which seems like the intent is to remind us that {lo pendo} is not {la pendo} ;)


On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason I care is because I'm playing around with the thought of doing some translations of songs I like, and one of them is "Friends Will Be Friends" by Queen.

The refrain is:
Its so easy love cos you got friends you can trust
Friends will be friends
When you're in need of love they give you care and attention
Friends will be friends
When you're through with life and all hope is lost
Hold out your hands cos friends will be friends right till the
End

It does say what it means by "friends will be friends", making the English sound fine, but the lojban still sounds {mucte lo ka malgli}, but I think the line is important enough to try to translate literally at least to some extent.



On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
I can't exactly pin down what this is meant to imply. It sounds tautological in English, but more so in Lojban. I read it as "A friend is going to be a friend.", which is why you should never ever ever ever ever translate words or phrases; you should translate meanings. Are you trying to state that one cannot prevent friends from being friends? If so, why not just say what you mean?

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