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Re: [lojban-beginners] elidable terminator discussion in CLL?
I've added basically this note to the Suggestions for CLL, second
edition page. Thank you for confirming it doesn't exist in the CLL.
-Alan
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 11:48:29AM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> I don't believer either actually exists. The first reference to a
> terminator being elidable is Chapter 5.5 (and here ke'e isn't associated
> with the word "terminator"). The first use of the word terminator is in
> 5.7 with be'o. Nor is is explicitly stated anywhere (that I've seen) the
> entire general concept that many grammatical in lojban are introduced with
> a cmavo, and closed with a terminator that may be elided under certain
> circumstance (Such as there being a terminator from an enclosing group,
> which implicitly terminates all internal groups that have not been
> terminated). It would probably be a good idea to include sucha conept in
> the CLL in English, but I don't think it exists. Probably Computer Science
> people such as me never noticed this lack, because it seems intuitively
> obvious to our mindset, but yeah, it should definitely be stated somwhere.
> (the end of Chapter 19 is as close as it comes, but yeah, basically, just
> a list, and obviously, the general concepts should probably be introduced
> earlier)
> --gejyspa
>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, .alyn.post.
> <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> The CLL frequently uses the phrase "elidable terminator." I'm
> looking for a place in the book where this phrase is defined,
> and preferably also a formal statement that elidable terminators
> bind to their closest marker:
>
> to to toi => (to (to toi))
> lu lu li'u => (lu (lu li'u))
>
> Is true, whereas:
>
> to to toi => (to (to) toi)
> lu lu li'u => (lu (lu) li'u)
>
> Is incorrect.
>
> Can someone point me to the chapter where this concept is discussed?
> It is indirectly discussed all over the place, for specific
> terminators, but I can't seem to find the principle described
> anywhere.
>
> I'm aware of the list of elidable terminators:
>
> [2]http://dag.github.com/cll/19/17/
>
> But that page does not discuss usage or define them.
>
> -Alan
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> 1. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org
> 2. http://dag.github.com/cll/19/17/
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