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Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda}



My only concern is that if {roda} has an implicite {poi co'e} then I'm not sure what you could put in for that {co'e} that gets you back to the strong EVERYTHING that logicians want.

lojban makes it very easy to narrow a concepts meaning (with tanru, with poi/noi, with further bridi, etc...), but there are very few ways (none that my fever-addled brain can think of at the moment anyway) that expand a concepts meaning.  So if we take something as widely expanded as {ro} and say "oh, but it's not really universal all the time" then what CAN you say that is consistently universal?

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:46 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems to me that the contention is not so much about {da} but mostly about {ro}, and to whether or not an implicit {poi co'e} is permitted in most situations.

This seems perfectly fine (if imprecise) to me, provided this does not apply in a logical prenex.
People who know lojban better than I seem to be having a discussion about this, and I'm trying to keep up and learn.


On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would read that as "everything (which are people) hate me".  So you're
> still saying {roda xebni mi} while also implying that {roda prenu}.

Yes, I was just saying that since you had {noi}, you might use {poi}
instead and really restrict {da}.

I hope we all will end up with a sort of common understanding.
At the moment I'm still on the side of those that say that {da} may be
implicitly bound by by reasonable assumptions on the context (the
universe of discourse), I'm no longer sure of who's against this point
of view (and why).

remo

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