Re: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda}

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  I have no problem with that with option 2.  It's hyperbolic speech.  Bob is exaggerating, but saying exactly what he means to say, "everything in the entire universe is wrong".  BTW, someone before asked about the current existence in the corpus of "roda" used to mean the universal everything, a usage the writer deemed "rare"?  Well, sure: it appears in the second sentence of my Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin, which I wrote like 4 years ago: "roda naku su'ode rodi zo'u da de simsa di .ije da na'e du de"

       --gejyspa

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

It just feels like option three has the power to very easily make malgli. 
Bob:  it's wrong, it's all wrong.
Dan:  what's wrong?
Bob:  everything.

This ambiguous little piece of conversation can easily be translated to lojban with option 3 roda.
Bob:  toldrani .i roda toldrani
Dan:  .i ma toldrani
Bob:  roda go'i

Now, is the above "ambiguous" or "vague"

On Feb 25, 2011 12:22 PM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
> On , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, but I'm with Lindar here.
> Hi Michael , I know how painful is to be in agreement with Lindar, it
> happens to me too, sometimes :) ({zo'o})
>
>> If you want to say "I see two animals ...
> I agree, I could say it differently and I probably would if I needed. The
> point is how to read the sentence {roda plisa} if {da} has not been
> previously bound.
>
> Since {roda} is grammatical, we have to decide what is the interpretation
> in case {da} it's not bound.
>
> I see three choices:
>

> 1. No interpretation (ie it's nonsensical)

> 2. It means EVERYTHING (in some metaphysical sense)
> 3. Can be interpreted depending on the context
>
> My vote is in favour of option 3. The second choice for me would be option
> 1. If the majority would vote for option 2 I will mumble in the dark and
> never, ever use an unbound {da}
>
> remod
>
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