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Re: [lojban-beginners] lujvo making help request



When I look at http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=ceirsenpi&Strategy=*&Database=*&submit=Submit+query
I only see a lojban->english definition with only the first place defined.
Is there somewhere else that you found your definition, or did you simply deduce it from the word?

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:57 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:

The jovlaste defintion, like English, leaves many possible
interpretations of "agnostic".

ceirsenpi: 
{c1 senpi tu'a lo du'u lo cevni be c2 c3 be'o zasti z2 z3}
where {tu'a} allows for:
- doubt about the existance of God
- doubt about the existance of the proof that God exists
- doubt about the possibility of proving that God exists
-etc
You are right in stating, though, that none of the definitions
of "agnostic" implies "belief" rather than "doubt", so their is
certainly room for a new lujvo.
totus
 

>
>From: Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>
>To: Lojban Beginners <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 4:24:16 PM
>Subject: [lojban-beginners] lujvo making help request
>
>I'm unsatisfied with the current translation of "agnostic" as "god-doubter"
>
>While that works in common usage, a more precise definition (at least as it is
>used in certain circles in which I discuss) would be "one who believes in the
>unknowability of the existence of a god"
>
>so I tried to come up with a lujvo:
>
>krici lo du'u tolcu'i lo djuno be lo du'u zasti fa lo cevni -> {ko'a} believes
>that it is impossible to know that god exists. (djuno asks for a {du'u},
>although {jei} may be more appropriate)
>fi lo cevni cu krici lo du'u tolcu'i lo djuno be lo du'u zasti -> {ko'a}
>believes about god that it is impossible to know that {zo'e} exists
>cevni krici lo du'u tolcu'i lo djuno be lo du'u zasti -> {ko'a} god type-of
>believes that it is impossible to know that {zo'e} exists
>cevni krici lo du'u tolcu'i lo zasti djuno -> {ko'a} god type-of believes that
>it is impossible to exist type-of know
>cevni krici lo du'u zasti djuno tolcu'i -> {ko'a} god type-of believes that
>(exist type-of know) type-of impossible
>
>But I get stuck there.  Am I going about this the right way?
>
>Is the next progression
>
>zasti djuno tolcu'i cevni bo krici = zasti djuno tolcu'i ke cevni krici
>
>?
>
>I'd appreciate any advice.
>
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