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Re: [lojban-beginners] lo nu valsi rapli cu xe tanru fo ma



Well, keep in mind that lujvo are their own words.  So I would guess that {mamymamta} is defined something like: "x1 mamta x3 po'u mamta be x2".  So, lujvo can mean stuff that isn't necessarily obvious from the rafsi involved because they can be defined however you like.  Tanru on the other hand have no problem because the relationship between the seltau and tertau is vague so {broda broda} could mean any number of different things and the "reasonable default assumption" will be different depending on what gismu {broda} is.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:39 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
Will you help clarify some confusion I'm having, then?:

lo mamta    => mother
lo se mamta => child  (not quite the right gloss, I don't think that
                      matters in this case)
mamta       => mothering/motherness?

lo ponse    => owner
lo se ponse => possesion
ponse       => possessing/ownership?

I don't quite get how one gets grandmother out of mamymamta, though
I've confused the special significance that an x1 place has before.

It seems in this case though that mamymamta either takes one meaning
for the first mam (mothering) and another meaning for the second
(mother), or that my gloss for mamta is wrong and it doesn't express
motherness at all, but an actual mother.

What am not understanding?

-Alan


On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 09:26:02AM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
>    that makes the most sense to me.. although my first thought when I saw
>    {ponse ponse} was something like {ba'e ponse}... not that I know what the
>    difference between {ponse} and {ba'e ponse} is but... that was my first
>    thought. (though as I said, I do like gejyspa's interpretation better).
>
>    On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Michael Turniansky
>    <[1]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>      An owner of an owner, I suppose...
>
>      lo mi gerku cu ponse lo bolci .iseni'ibo mi ponse ponse
>      --gejyspa
>      On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat <[2]phma@phma.optus.nu>
>      wrote:
>      > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 14:44:22 .alyn.post. wrote:
>      >> .i fo ma fu lo nu valsi rapli cu tanru .i lu ponse ponse li'u mupli
>      >>
>      >> What does word doubling mean in a tanru? For example: {ponse
>      >> ponse}
>      >
>      > "klakyklaku klakyklaku klaku" is used in The Restaurant of Many Orders
>      > for "cried and cried and cried and cried and cried". "mamymamta"
>      (lujvo jenai
>      > tanru) means "maternal grandmother", and similarly "pafpatfu". I'm not
>      sure
>      > what "ponse ponse" would mean.
>      >
>      > Pierre
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