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Re: [lojban-beginners] ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku



Yeah, the gadri system was kind of broken and was changed in a proposal by xorxes which we call "xorlo".  You can read about it here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo

Basically it really simplifies how gadri work in lojban.  If I understand it myself correctly, {ci lo gerku} is saying "three dogs".  Meanwhile "lo ci gerku" is saying something like "all three of the dogs that we are talking about".  i.e.  If you have "X lo Y gerku cu blabi" X is how many gerku are "white" and Y is the number of dogs that we're talking about.  So if there are 5 dogs in a room that we're looking at and 3 of them are white, you could say {ci lo mu gerku cu blabi}.  And I believe that there are no default quantifiers for {lo} either anymore.  So {lo gerku} can be used if you're talking about 3 dogs, 1 dog, some dog (who knows which one), or even something that resembles a dog in your mind.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Ben Foppa <eatingstaples@gmail.com> wrote:
In Lojban For Beginners (http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/
lojbanbrochure/lessons/less4articles.html), it is stated:
"So ci lo gerku means 'three of those which really are dogs', or in
plain words, 'three dogs'. lo ci gerku, however, means that we are
talking about [one or more of] the only three dogs in the world, which
is not something you'd really want to say."

I understand how "ci lo gerku" means "three of those which are really
dogs", but I don't understand how "lo ci gerku" means a subset of the
only three dogs in existence; based on the definition of "lo" given
there and on Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lo#Lojban), it
seems that "lo ci gerku" would mean "That which really was three dogs".

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