Re: [lojban-beginners] ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

On 28 April 2011 19:21, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, the gadri system was kind of broken and was changed in a proposal by
> xorxes which we call "xorlo".  You can read about it
> here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo
> Basically it really simplifies how gadri work in lojban.  If I understand it
> myself correctly, {ci lo gerku} is saying "three dogs".  Meanwhile "lo ci
> gerku" is saying something like "all three of the dogs that we are talking
> about".  i.e.  If you have "X lo Y gerku cu blabi" X is how many gerku are
> "white" and Y is the number of dogs that we're talking about.  So if there
> are 5 dogs in a room that we're looking at and 3 of them are white, you
> could say {ci lo mu gerku cu blabi}.  And I believe that there are no
> default quantifiers for {lo} either anymore.  So {lo gerku} can be used if
> you're talking about 3 dogs, 1 dog, some dog (who knows which one), or even
> something that resembles a dog in your mind.

Yes, xorlo has no default quantifier. But then does "lo ci gerku"
really mean "*all three* of the dogs that we are talking about"?


On 28 April 2011 19:31, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> so now,
> {ci lo broda} means "exactly three things which are (or which I describe as)
> brodas" and {lo ci broda} means "at least one of the three brodas I'm
> talking about".

"at least one of" = {su'o lo}
"at least one of the three brodas I'm talking about" = {su'o lo ci broda}

According to xorlo, {lo} isn't supposed to have any default
quantifier, including "at least one". "How to use xorlo" translates it
as "something(s) or other to do with broda".


mu'o

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.