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Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal?

  Highjacking this a bit.... When the 2003 edition of the OSPD3
(official Scrabble Player's Dictionary, 3rd Edition) came out, someone
(here denoted RB) asked me to do a quick check of what words appear in
definitions therein that were not in fact legal Scrabble words (i.e.
appear as entries).  Here was my results using OSPD2 (the only
computer readable source I had at the time), with his annotations of
the corrections that were made subsequent (a # means good in Scrabble
outside of North America/Israel/Thailand, bu not within, where OSPD
rules (for home and school use, but not tournament and club))

1) obvious misspellings:
CELLO "muscial*" (Not in OSPD3 -- RB)
CIVICISM "govermment*"
CLAMMING "particple*"
DUSTIEST "superative*"
HEADSAIL "fo*"
HEREDITY "chracteristics*"
MENACE "theaten*"
MURDER "premediated*" (I like it :-)
REDBIRD "plummage*"
SCREECHY "screaching*" (Not in OSPD2 -- RB)
THEIST "belives*" (Not in OSPD3 -- RB)
WORKBAG "instuments*"

2) words part of multiword phrases only ("multiword*" -- RB :-)
ABVOLT, KILOVOLT, MEGAVOLT, VOLT, VOLTAGE "electromotive#"
BREN "submachine*"
CANCHA, CESTA, FRONTON "jai*","alai*"
GILBERT "magnetomotive#"
KILOBASE, MUTON, REPLICON "nucleic*"
NONCOM, SERGEANT "noncommissioned*"
RIBOSOME "ribonucleic*"
SOUVLAKI "shish*"
VASOTOMY "deferens*"

3) words that basically should be in there, but are not...
AGEDLY "oldly*"
ART "esthetically*" ("aesthetically" is acceptable -- RB)
CITREOUS, CITRON "lemonlike*"
DRAGON "serpentlike#"
EFFLUVIA "byproducts*" ("by-products" in MW10 -- RB)
EYESTALK "stalklike*"
GENOISE "spongecake*" ("sponge cake" in MW10 -- RB)
HODAD "nonsurfer*"
HORN "bonelike*"
JACKDAW "crowlike*"
LANCE "spearlike*"
LATENTLY "dormantly*"
LEGEND "unverified#"
LEMMING "mouselike*"
MACE "clublike*"
MUMBLE, MURMUR, MUTTER "unclearly#"
QUAGGA "zebralike*"
SAC "pouchlike*"
SCOOP "spoonlike*"
VIROID "viruslike*"

   Now back to your regularly schedulaed lojban.
        --gejyspa



On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:57 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> "I" is (obviously) not the same as "speaker": 'You are the speaker" doesn't
> mean "You are I". Also, "I am not the speaker" doesn't mean "I am not I".
>
> Same for "YOU" and "listener".
>
> stevo
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 7:22 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, here's hers:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_semantic_metalanguage
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if these are the same for every language- I assume so,
>>>> since that's the point, yes?- but most of them are cmavo in Lojban.
>>>>
>>>> I also don't think they're very well chosen, as a lot of them are easy
>>>> to define without circularity.
>>>
>>> Really? Which ones? How would you define them?
>>
>>
>> Well, I and YOU, for a start. Lojban defines those as "the speaker" and
>> "the listener", respectively.
>>
>>>> 2011/4/23 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Circularity is avoidable. That's the whole point of Anna Wierzbicka's
>>>>> > Natural Semantic Metalanguage, which assumes a small number (~62) of
>>>>> > 'words'
>>>>> > that can't be defined in terms of simpler words.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> > Almost all dictionaries are unapologetic about circularity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's easy to fix this "problem" for any dictionary as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Take any word that appears in a definition but not as an entry and
>>>>> classify it as "primitive".
>>>>> (2) Take any word that appears in its own definition and classify it
>>>>> as "primitive".
>>>>> (3) Pick any remaining entry, classify it as "well-defined" and
>>>>> classify all still unclassified words in its definition as
>>>>> "primitive".
>>>>> (4) Repeat step (3) until you run out of entries.
>>>>>
>>>>> You end up with a pile of words classified as "primitive" and another
>>>>> pile classified as "well-defined". You can try all possible picking
>>>>> orders for step (3) if you wish to minimize the set of primitives for
>>>>> the dictionary, since different picking orders will result in
>>>>> different sets of primitives.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be interesting to see how many primitives result from this
>>>>> process for a typical dictionary, and how the resulting list of
>>>>> "primitives" compares with Wierzbicka's.
>>>>>
>>>>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>>
>>>
>>> This would indeed be an interesting experiment.
>>>
>>> stevo
>>>
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>>
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