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Re: [lojban-beginners] vlastezba: First beta version released!

Hi Alan

I thought I would have a quick look before going to bed... and it seems that  the troublesome word forms you mention are mostly (99%) cmavo that don't start with a consonant.

When writing vlastezba, I tried to adhere as strictly as possible to the word forms specified in the CLL, in section 4.2:  In there, all cmavo that start with a vowel should have a dot pre-pended.  So the forms, as I understand them, are as follows, where any two adjacent vowels may or may not have a ' inserted between them:
.V
.y.
CV
.VV
CVV
Cy
CVVV (experimental use only)

The only dot I could find in cmavo.txt was in "na.a", which seems like a mistake to me.  Anyway, I took cmavo.txt, prepended dots to all lines starting with a vowel, ran it again - this time vlastezba choked on "ybu".  I remember now that I hadn't defined y as either a consonant or a vowel, because the CLL was clear that it is NOT a vowel, but it wasn't at all clear that it was a consonant.  Indeed, if "ybu" is a valid cmavo, that would seem to imply that "y" is a vowel, yet I clearly recall reading a list of vowels that excluded "y", with the explanation that it isn't really a vowel. 

So I removed the "ybu" line from the file, and this time it parsed okay (see attached cmavo_dots.stdout).  Do you mind running the attached cmavo_dots.txt through jbogenturfa'i to see if  we get fewer than 80 discrepancies this time (I would do it myself, but I don't have a copy of jbogenturfa'i or, for that matter, a copy of Linux)

So I have three questions:
1) Is "y" a vowel or a consonant?
2) Are dots before vowel-only cmavo required or not?
3) If the dots are required, am I being reasonable to expect them to be present?

-Johan

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
vlastezba crashes on 80 of the 2433 tests.  For the remaining tests,
it produces results consistent with jbogenturfa'i.  I suspect most
of these tests are crashing on the same or nearly the same problem;
they're clustered in the input around certain word forms.



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