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Re: [lojban-beginners] Where to start?
Ok, I'm shamed.
.i coi TheLugal,
My advice is to figure out *why* you want to learn Lojban. What
are you going to be using Lojban for? After you can articulate that,
figure out what the simplest thing you could possibly do to achieve
your goal would be. The tiniest step requiring the least amount of
effort from you. The less grammar and vocabulary you have to learn
for this first step, the better. Call it version 1.0 of your vision.
Explore the links that .aionys. has provided to teach yourself enough
Lojban to accomplish version 1.0 of your vision.
This gives you a reason, purpose, and a goal for studying Lojban.
You know what you're trying to accomplish. Once you've accomplished
your goal you will be using Lojban. You can build from this base,
wherever your interest takes you.
ni'o
I play a Lojbanic game called {lo do ckiku ma zvati}. The game is
open to absolute beginners: the first "move" is to copy (as in copy
and paste, or preferably retype) what was said to you back to the
person saying it, which you can do without understanding what you
said. Once you start speaking (typing) Lojban you'll quickly enough
begin to understand it. If you're interested in playing e-mail me
privately and I'll start a game with you. (And since this game is
multi- player this offer is open to anyone else interested as well.)
Welcome!
.i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:17:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> (Really now, people? It's been three hours and I'm the only one to help
> this person out? For shame! :D )
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Jones <[1]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, TheLugal <[2]thelugal@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi!
> I have been interested in lojban for a while, but just now decided to
> actually start learning it.
> problem is, I don't know where I should start. So if anyone could've
> give me a start in the right direction, I would be very grateful.
> ~ TheLugal.
>
> Here's a few links to get you started. I put a star in front of the ones
> that I recommend you start with:
>
> * [3]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning - Contains
> most if not all resources for learning the language.
>
> [4]http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
> - All the Smart.fm goals. (Smart.fm is a flashcard learning program -
> great for vocab.)
>
> * [5]http://smart.fm/goals/268251 - All the gismu (root words) of
> Lojban, with full place structure, such as "bacru x1 utters x2"
>
> [6]http://smart.fm/goals/279583 - All the individual places for each
> gismu, such as "lo bacru an utterer" "lo se bacru an utterance"
>
> [7]http://smart.fm/goals/266809 - Both of the above two combined into
> one giant lesson.
>
> [8]http://smart.fm/goals/292653 - All the cmavo, not including
> combinations, such as ".ui happiness (attitudinal)"
>
> * [9]http://smart.fm/goals/284287 - All the cmavo in the goal above,
> plus the more common combinations, such as ".uinai unhappiness
> (attitudinal)"
>
> [10]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
> - A link to order the print book "The Complete Lojban Language", which
> describes the grammar of Lojban pretty much in it's entirety. A bit
> outdated, as there have been a few changes, but nothing horribly
> important- the biggest one is, we use lo a lot more than le nowadays,
> because of xorlo. Currently in the process of being updated for a new,
> more current edition.
>
> [11]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> - An online version of the CLL, and slightly more outdated, but still
> good.
>
> [12]http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html -
> "Lojban for Beginners", the first book specifically geared towards
> teaching new people Lojban. Also a bit outdated thanks to xorlo.
>
> * [13]https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C -
> The Lojban Google Wave, a much more current document, meant to replace
> the "Lojban for Beginners" book. Also available as a plain web page,
> [14]http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
>
> Also, there's the Lojban Beginners group, which you've already found,
> which is a great place to ask questions about basically anything related
> to Lojban, and the IRC channel, #lojban, on freenode, where you can go
> to talk about or in Lojban, and where our current Lojban instructors
> (the ones who made the Wave), are pretty much always lurking.
>
> Welcome to Lojbanistan!
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi
> patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu
> do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
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> References
>
> Visible links
> 1. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> 2. mailto:thelugal@gmail.com
> 3. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
> 4. http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
> 5. http://smart.fm/goals/268251
> 6. http://smart.fm/goals/279583
> 7. http://smart.fm/goals/266809
> 8. http://smart.fm/goals/292653
> 9. http://smart.fm/goals/284287
> 10. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
> 11. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> 12. http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
> 13. https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
> 14. http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
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